I did not see the draft coming and I won’t force everyone to redraft for me. But I really don’t want to be in America again.
I then have no choice, I have to free my sit for someone else.
Have fun everyone.
Btw Banman, I made many various games and I know that sometimes you have to be strong and sometimes you have to accept concessions that are finally northing. Np. Cya in other games.
OK folks! I think given that the South America list is now open, the most fair thing to do for all players would be to eliminate the Pacific Islands list from the game and rerun the draft for 11 players, rather than run the game with South America left wide open. I’ll hold off on going ahead with that until I see five yes votes for that course, or someone puts forward another idea that can gain consensus support
In my opinion, south america wide open doesn’t matter because the closest civ is maya and it would be suboptimal for the player who picked it to settle in south america away of the six range tiles from its capital.
second, 2 players wanted to play pacific islands list, it would be a shame of not using it.
I’m happy with anything. If the game isn’t going to be challenging then I’m not sure how much fun it would be anyway so happy if I get a bad deal or a good one. Whatever gets the game going suits me 
I’m certainly happy personally with any scenario that doesn’t involve rerunning the draft 
I think the main fairness concern for leaving South America open would be that the Central American will have a lot of room to expand in with no real opposition (City-States not the same as a human player). I’m not personally concerned with it, but want to make sure that’s the case for a majority before moving forward, since the Pacific Islands just don’t represent the same kind of resource base/settlement area as South America.
So if three more players say they don’t mind, I’ll leave South America open and we can begin once @yaboo and @kennya choose from their respective lists.
Of course, I would also make sure all South American CSs are in the game (at the same time as making sure any CSs super-close to the player-selected civs are not).
I’m okay.
Happy to be Ghandi
Absolutely agree!
I am a sort of newish player, really. I’ve have never played as or even with Maori civ in-game. Do you?
Would it really kill the fun if i pick this civ?.. Nobody from “Pacific Islands” region did it.
Is it necessary to be so strict in these matters? 
(this also would make ‘Southeast Asia’ region free and whole setup more… breathing, in my opinion)
@Randomouse didn’t pick yet either.
what does it take to be kind?
Good catch! @Randomouse could you select a civ from the East Asia list quoted above? Thanks!
Believe me I am being kind
I’ve hosted (and played in) a lot of games over the years, starting in civ5 times more than 10 years ago and now in civ6. There are many kinds of games that can occur, and certainly the simplest is when everyone picks their own civ/leader and we all get to it (and believe me I am currently wishing we were doing exactly that, rather than arguing about whether various players should get exceptions to the rules agreed upon in advance). However, many players feel on certain maps or under certain game conditions (with good reason) that there are inherent inequities in the game they would like to see minimized or balanced, and a frequent way to do this is devise some system for assigning civilizations & leaders to players other than player choice. This is one such game. I assume this is primarily because it is a True-Start-Location (TSL) map, which means that the map itself has much more inequality baked into it than a normal civ6 map is likely to have, and in addition civilizations will start at their historically ‘true’ locations, so that inequity of geographic opportunity will be distributed unequally by civilization.
In response to these concerns and as you can read above in the earlier posts, the draft and then player choice system was negotiated and agreed to by a majority of the players in the game. As I’ve expressed many times, I’m open to negotiating a new set of rules, but I’ve learned painfully from experience and observation that dealing with these questions inconsistently as host is a recipe for, as you say, ‘killing the fun.’ If you get to pick by player choice but everyone else has to abide by the rules accepted by the majority, this is a recipe for disaster – other players who participated in the discussion above in good faith may leave the game, for example.
Having said that, I’m not sure you’ve thought through the implications of Kupe on a TSL Earth map. You would spawn in the ocean east of New Zealand, and given that @Pete has selected Australia and will spawn on the east coast of Australia, you will find yourself in a challenging position. In addition, SE Asia will be essentially open for either yaboo (Gandhi) or Randomouse (East Asia) to swallow up early without real opposition. This question of the balance between Pacific Islands and SE Asia was considered above – and certainly we can consider it again, revise the lists and rerun the draft (or decide as a group not use the draft at all and go with player choice, for example).
You say you’re a newish player – have you played Ba Trieu or Jayavarman VII? What makes you think they would not be fun to play? There will be many other games you can play Kupe in, but in this one a set of rules has been agreed to by a majority of players that the civ options available to you are set by a random draft.
I did not start this game so I could play Mali in western Africa – frankly I’m not personally overjoyed that I drew the Mid/South Africa list. But, I agreed in advance to these rules, which I participated in good faith in negotiating, and so I am following and enforcing them. It’s been my experience that the most fun and rewarding games are often the ones that are not a direct result of my choices, but rather the ones in which I am challenged, as in life, by circumstances not of my choosing and must do the best I can to rise to the occasion.
Now, if your heart is set on playing Kupe in this particular game and that is the reason you joined, then sadly this game is not a good fit for you. If you host a game in which you play Kupe on this map, I’d gladly play in it with you (and I’m guessing many of the other players listed here would happily join that game as well). If you’re unsure about hosting, and want to play that game, I’m happy to host that game separately from this one under an every-player-chooses-first-come-first-serve rule. But I’ve agreed in advance that is not the set of rules for this game.
Personally, I hope you stay and take a chance on this game – you never know, it may surprise you.
Welcome @Michaqel !!! Glad to see you here! We’re in the process of finalizing our civ selections following a regional draft. We’ve had a player depart (as you can see above), and so their list (South America) is now open, but it may be best to wait to see if we have any other departures as it may end up being necessary to redo the draft. Please feel free to read our extended discussions above and weigh in with your opinions as you see fit!
I was visiting family for easter so haven’t been online for a few days sorry. I think I’ll pick Kublai Khan Mongolia 
In or out @kennya? If in, please select either Ba Trieu or Jayavarman VII
I would really like to stay, and play civ 6 with you guys! 
At the same time, my heart just isn’t set on “Ba Trieu or Jayavarman VII” only choice received.
I apologize for thinking that these matters could be taken into account True Start Location Huge Game (731c3f9c) - #51 by banman39
If there are really no other options available (reroll, swap,?..) then the only freedom I have left is to wait for @banman39 to kick me because the actual game somehow cannot begin without that. Go on.
Originally I joined the game because I thought you were short of players True Start Location Huge Game (731c3f9c) - #3 by banman39
The priorities have shifted dramatically since.
@kennya No priorities have shifted, when you joined we were ready to start the game with fewer than 12 players.
When I posted about the possibility of discussing trading lists, it became immediately clear that once trading was allowed it would become a free-for-all and completely undermine the draft rules the majority had approved – therefore that is not, as it turns out, a viable option for this game.
As I have said before, if your heart is set on a particular civ this is not the right game for you. Please leave immediately. You’re correct that if you don’t leave of your own choice, I will kick you. But I must let you know that if you make me kick you (like a pouting child) you will not be welcome in any game I host in the future, whether there is civ choice or draft.
OK, given that we don’t effectively have a SE Asia player or S American player, I need the group’s input! The easiest and fairest thing to do in my opinion, given that we have a Pacific Island player, would be to eliminate the SE Asia list and offer the S American list to @Michaqel. I think @Pete in Australia can provide the regional counterbalance between @yaboo’s Gandhi and @Randomouse’s Mongolia, and I think it’s relatively more important to keep a human player in South America than to have another one in SE Asia, for game balance. If a majority agrees, I’ll ask @Michaqel to pick from the South America list and move on to CS spawn issues – and hopefully we can get the game rolling!
@kennya khmer and vietnam are great civs and their true start spawn is nice. for a beginner, on this map, they are better than most civs in my opinion.
Sure, vietnam is tricky for a beginner but its war bonuses make it difficult to conquer by your neighbors.
You would be very welcome if you change your mind and decide to benefit from these advantages.