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I pick Pericles(Greece),

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I’ll take Peter.

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I pick Hammurabi(Babylon)

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I’ll take Cleopatra

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Can I be Australia please

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I choose Lady Six Sky (Maya)

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which Cleopatra?

I’ll take Mansa Musa

@banman39 yahoo is supposed to pick in the indian subcontinent. Maybe he could switch with @peteyboy if he agrees?

Cleopatra-Egyptian(Egypt)

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@shinjoshun good catch! Yaboo, you drew the Indian subcontinent list – could you pick from Gandhi, Tomyris or Chandragupta? If you’re heart is really set on Australia, we can discuss whether it’s OK with everyone for you to switch with Peteyboy (who drew the Pacific Islands list), assuming it’s OK with him.

I’m happy to go with Ghandi if @yaboo is happy with Australia :smiley:

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Hello.

@Pete

I came here to play indian continent… Can South America interest you?

" South America
Pachacuti(Inca), Pedro II(Brazil), Simon Bolivar(Gran Colombia), or Lautaro(Mapuche)"

  • I was already South America in the last game :sweat_smile: → I am open to other locations than north/south America if Pete doesn’t agree for the switch

Can I be Kupe(Maori) , please ?

Hi @Manoir, yep that’s fine with me. In which I case I choose Pedro II of Brazil :smiley:

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Great! Have fun Pete.

Going for Tomyris(Scythia) then.

Alright folks, imo this has now officially gotten out of hand. Everyone can pick from their list selected by the draft we all agreed to, I’m not going to allow any exceptions now. It’s not fair to the other players who are selecting from their lists for some players to trade their lists. If you didn’t want the lottery, you had ample opportunity to argue against it earlier in the discussion. This is the way drafts work. If there’s a consensus that we should disregard the draft, then let’s voice it and agree to a different way forward for everyone.

@yaboo Please choose Gandhi, Tomyris or Chandragupta.
@Pete Please choose Gitarja, John Curtin or Kupe
@kennya Please choose Ba Trieu or Jayavarman VII
@Manoir Please choose Pachacuti, Pedro II, Simon Bolivar or Lautaro

I’ll take Australia, please.

ā€œWould you add scythia to indian subcontinent? It spawns faily close to it? (and I promise @Manoir I’ll do my best to get him a chance to play scythia if he joins this game lol)ā€

That is from @shinjoshun before I join. He said that to convince me to join the game.

Past week I was away. I come back and draft is made… Why not. But I’m South America AGAIN. Not cool… But I see that there is trades. That’s cool. But no?.. My last 2 real world map games were north America and South America.

No trade? I’ll just leave. Sorry. It’s just a game and Civ 7 will come. Forced draft is hard at this moment. Trade wasn’t that bad.

Be sure that I understand your position @banman39 but you will probably understand my position too.

edit: I was so happy to have indian draft. @Pete was ok, that was very cool for me and nice from him… U killed this… :frowning:

You quoted it yourself. @shinjoshun promised he would get you a chance to play scythia, and you had a chance to draw the Indian subcontinent in the draft. Even if he had guaranteed you to be able to pick scythia, that wasn’t a guarantee he was able to give, as he isn’t the host.

I had in fact already given him a stronger assurance in public that the game would likely use a lottery for civ choice, and in fact that was the consensus of a majority of players, as I expected (from experience). In the absence of a new consensus, the lottery system that was already worked out is what this game will use.

You’re welcome to leave the game – if your only reason in joining was to play scythia, this is definitely not the right game for you. It’s not about whether the trade was bad, or whether I understand your position or not. As host, I have absolute authority to run the game as I see fit, and you and the rest here know that I prefer to set up games based on player consensus. You have absolute authority to participate or not participate as you like, and to start your own game with civs chosen as you wish – and I’d happily play in that game as well :slight_smile:

And yes, I did kill the trades because the trades were already spreading, and there was no consensus that we would do a draft and then trade. If that was the consensus, I would not have gone to the trouble of designing the draft system and conducting the draft, because the consensus would have been for player choice (which is what the trades essentially are). But I’d already offered assurances, initially to @shinjoshun and later as a result of the consensus to all players here, that civs would be chosen through a combination of draft and player choice.

Your choice to be melodramatic has absolutely made this game already less fun, and my only purpose in setting it up is to have fun. So please either choose from your drafted list, or leave the game. If a majority of players agree to rerun the draft to get a different result, I’m open to doing that once, but I would strongly prefer that players choose their civilizations from their drafted lists.