Hi. Thanks for hosting this game @banman39. I’m happy with all the above. Playing tall can be just as effective as playing wide and close neighbours are a great opportunity for trade and alliances so I’m happy with any start. How about using Barbarian Clans mode so City States can be created? It would be a shame to have envoys and no be able to use them!
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I definitely hear ya on the city state issue, does seem like a big map with no city states. I’ve noticed that it is possible to deactivate particular city states in the advanced setup, so maybe after the lottery is over and everyone’s picked their civ we can all do some single player spawns and identify the city states most likely to interfere with our start. Then I can disable those city states but allow the rest to spawn normally, and I also don’t have to do 12+ more single player spawns myself 
That might be the simplest solution to what to do with our envoys …
Hello. Finally here.
Can we confirme speed: quick?
Another suggestion: I know that this a no mod game and that is very cool. But what do you guys think about 2 victory conditions to win?
The goal is to push the game in the futur era, see wind power, waters cities and nuclear wars. One victory condition don’t allow you to see all of those things. As it is a PYDT game, we are not forced to use the mods because we can validate victories ourselves without blocking the game.
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Btw, scythia is a good idee for me. Could have some defenses against @shinjoshun 
I’ve seen no objections to quick speed, so barring an unexpected groundswell of opposition we’re doing quick speed
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You don’t fool me. Scythia is not meant for defense 
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By the way, should we put as much wonders as we can? Or we would lack room?
As far as I’ve seen in my single player dry runs, the wonder density seems fine to me fwiw.
Glad to see we’re up to 11 players!! 
I’m going to be offline for the next couple of days, but could put things together mid-week if we’ve hit 12 players and are ready to go.
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All sounds good to me.
Should with start without the twelfth, maybe without the pacific civs?
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I’m fine with that if others are too
Fine by me.
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three more votes for proceeding with 11 players (and eliminating the Pacific Islands list) and I’ll set up the lottery 
Works for me.
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Sounds good.
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Look good
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done and done … I’ll get the lottery done by Friday and post which list everyone can choose from
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@yaboo I knew you would join this game sooner or later!!
Now the party is finally full. Joy!
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Completed the draft, here’s the results! For each player, I’m listing the region you get to start in along with the civs you have to choose from:
banman39: Mid/South Africa
Shaka(Zulu), Mvemba a Nzinga(Kongo), Nzinga Mbanbe(Kongo), Mansu Musa(Mali) or Sundiata Keita(Mali)
donlooky: Northern Africa
Cleopatra-Egyptian(Egypt), Cleopatra-Ptolemaic(Egypt), Ramses II(Egypt), Menelik II(Ethiopia), or Amanitore(Nubia)
J-Dog: Northern Europe
Peter(Russia), Kristina(Sweden), Harald Hadrada-Konge(Norway), or Harald Hadrada-Varangian(Norway)
shinjoshun: North America
Poundmaker(Cree), Wilfrid Laurier(Canada), Teddy Roosevelt-Bull Moose(America), Teddy Roosevelt-Rough Rider(America), or Abraham Lincoln(America)
BambusBjoern: Fertile Crescent
Cyrus(Persia), Nader Shah(Persia), Hammurabi(Babylon), Gilgamesh(Sumeria), Saladin-Vizier(Arabia), Dido(Phoenicia), or Saladin-Sultan(Arabia)
ArctossX: Southern Europe
Trajan(Rome), Julius Caesar(Rome), Alexander(Macedon), Philip II(Spain), Joao III(Portugal), Pericles(Greece), or Gorgo(Greece)
matmer: Central America
Lady Six Sky(Maya) or Montezuma(Aztec)
Randomouse: East Asia
Seondeok(Korea), Sejong(Korea), Qin Shi Huang-Mandate of Heaven(China), Qin Shi Huang-Unifier(China), Kublai Khan(China), Yongle(China), Wu Zetian(China), Genghis Khan(Mongolia), or Kublai Khan(Mongolia)
Peteyboy: Pacific Islands
Gitarja(Indonesia), John Curtin(Australia), or Kupe(Maori)
Manoir: South America
Pachacuti(Inca), Pedro II(Brazil), Simon Bolivar(Gran Colombia), or Lautaro(Mapuche)
Kennya: Southeast Asia
Ba Trieu(Vietnam) or Jayavarman VII(Khmer)
Yaboo: Indian Subcontinent
Gandhi(India), Tomyris(Scythia), or Chandragupta(India)
Make your choices and post them here!
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I pick cree
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